| How and when did you first become  interested in Rock Art in the Burrup? I was introduced to Pilbara  petroglyphs during University study years when I worked up there for a while.  I was always interested in  Aboriginal art and culture, and I heard about the great variety of Burrup art  through an anthropologist friend who had done some work there, so I decided to  go and have a look. That would have been in the late 1980s.
 What led you begin to start photographing  it?
 I have been a keen  photographer for 50 years. I  just photograph these things!
 How did you go about photographing it?
 Early on I just used a 35  mm SLR. The rocks that the art is on are a jumble so it is impossible to use a  tripod anyway. First you need to find the art sites. Although there is  estimated to be a million engravings on the Burrup and surrounding islands, it  is still a big place and you don't have art on every rock, You can walk for hours and see  very little, then come on a rich patch that might contain thousands of images.  Eventually you get to know where to look.
 What equipment did you use to create the  images?
 I started with a Canon T70  35 mm SLR about 25 years ago. I tried many film types but settled on Fuji  Velvia, a fine-grained rich colour E6 process slide film which gave great  results. I swapped that for an early Canon 300D digital SLR (6.3 megapixels)  which was OK but lacked the resolution I was used to with Velvia 35 mm. Then I graduated to  a Canon EOS1D MkIII (about 10 megapixels) and with a much better lens (16-35 mm  f2.8 L II USM). I also use a Canon compact macro 50 mm lens and a ring flash  for close up shots. I recently traded the 1D Mk III for the higher resolution  1Ds MkIII (about 20 megapixels) so that I can get acceptable resolution for  double page spreads in books like the Burrup Rock Art.
 How long has this project taken to come  to fruition?
 Although I started  photographing the Burrup rock art over 20 years ago, it has taken many trips to  the area to get to most of the islands and cover most of the Burrup Peninsula.  Finding people with boats who can take you out to the islands (and pick you up  some days later) takes time. Once I decided to do the book, it took about 12  months to select the 600-odd  photos, produce the required  resolution images in the designed format and in CMYK for printing, do the  captions and write the text, get approval from traditional Aboriginal owners to  print the photos, work with the book designer and editor etc etc.
 Was there a certain time of day best  suited to photograph the petroglyphs?
 As many of the sites are in  remote places that take some hours to walk to, it is not always possible to get  back at the best time of day. The sites all face in random directions, so there is always  something at most sites that can be photographed well at most times of the day.  For others, particularly bigger spectacular or important sites such as Climbing  Men, or Thylacine images it requires going back many times to find the best  light. For some sites it even means going back at different seasons as the  shadows may fall across the art in summer but not in winter.
 How did you go about getting permission  from the traditional owners to photograph the rock art and produce the  book?
 Most of the Burrup is  vacant crown land, though it is now planned to turn those areas into a National  Park. The islands are mainly in Marine Parks or Nature Reserves, so these areas  are accessible to the public without any need for approval. Some of the rock  art is on industrial land leased by companies for iron ore shipping facilities,  salt evaporation ponds, and LNG plant. Permission is required from the  companies to access those areas. In Western Australia, you don't require any permission to  photograph rock art for  personal or research purposes, but if you photograph for commercial purposes  such as a TV advertisement or to promotes a product in front of an Aboriginal  art site you do require permission. I only thought about putting my photos into  a book after I had done most of the photography, so I then contacted the  Department of Indigenous Affairs and got some advice about who the traditional  owners were. I then contacted all that I could and made 5 or 6 trips to  Dampier, Karratha, and Roebourne to meet with those people, show them a draft copy of the book, and  get approval to use the images in the publication. I removed a few images from  the book at that stage at their request as some people thought they may be culturally sensitive.
 The Burrup is a focus for a number of  groups concerned about the  development on the peninsula do you think  the rock art and this industrial development can co-exist?
 It is a fact of life that  industry already has a presence on the Burrup. At the time the decision was  made to establish port facilities there, the rock art was not known, and  certainly the richness  and quantity of rock was not appreciated. The industrial areas are clearly  defined and although some art has been damaged or removed to allow the industry  to establish the facilities, probably 98% of the art is safe from further  encroachment of industry once the National Parks are gazetted and proper  management plans are in operation. My view is just draw a line in the sand and  accept that some art has been lost, but ensure we don't lose any more. The companies  there all appreciate that they have a big responsibility to ensure that this  happens.
 What was rio tinto's involvement with  this publication?
 Rio Tinto are major operators  on the Burrup with iron ore shipping facilities and evaporative salt production  and shipping facilities. Rio employs about 20 archaeologists/anthropologists  and so have a big presence there and these people work closely with the various traditional owners to ensure their work is done  in a culturally acceptable manner. When they saw my draft book they were keen  to help with the publication in order to get a wider appreciation of the cultural heritage values of  the Burrup in the general community.
 How did you approach them?
 Because I had been going to  the Burrup area for many years, I got to know some of the anthropologists working in the area,  and they all knew that I was preparing a book on the rock art. Rio Tinto  suggested they might be able to help with the publication, provided all the  appropriate Aboriginal groups (there are quite a few!) were happy with it.
 Were they immediately interested or did  they need some convincing?
 The Company was immediately  interested on the proviso that all Aboriginal approvals were in place.
 
 It was mentioned in the article in the  Australian that you are working  on a two volume book on Was rock art?.do  you have a release date for this?
 I am working on two further  rock art books. One is on Depuch Island, a small island 100 km NE of Burrup  which has heaps of art, originally described by people on HMS Beagle in 1840. I  am working with the WA Museum on this book and I expect to see it printed  before the end of the year. It will probably be a smaller format book (22  x 22 cm?) about 350 pages.
 My magnum opus is the  Kimberley Rock Art. I have been walking the wild rivers of the Kimberley for  over 20 years and have many thousands of photos of the amazing rock art from there.  Given that the art is much more colourful and visually exciting than the Burrup art, and the Kimberley is  about a million times bigger than Burrup, my Kimberley book will be in 2  volumes, each of about 500 pages and the size of the Burrup book (27 x 27 cm).  I am talking with a few possible corporate sponsors about helping with printing  costs, but even so it probably will need to sell for about $300 for the  2-volume set. I am currently talking with various Aboriginal groups about  approvals to publish the photos as I want to avoid publishing any culturally  sensitive images.
 Do you intend on exhibiting these  photographs anywhere or is the publication your main focus?
 I will exhibit a selection  of the photos at a family exhibition in Bowral (NSW) in October, but I don't have any plans to exhibit the photos more widely at this stage.
 What do you hope is the outcome of all  your hard work and this publication?
 Better appreciation of the value of the Burrup rock art  among the wider Australian  audience will hopefully raise awareness of the rich cultural heritage we have  in Australia. I believe this heritage belongs to all Australians and if it is  valued more, more will be done to protect and manage these great sites.
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